[Rom 9:17-18 KJV] 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:11 pm [Replying to otseng in post #3423If we take evil to be moral evil, God does not necessarily directly create moral evil. Evil is a by-product free will.Then apparently we can discount this:
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
(Romans 19:17-18)
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/9/18/s_1055018
My statement is about the origin of moral evil. God does not directly create moral evil, but moral evil is a result of the ability to choose. So, the specific instance of Pharaoh does not nullify the origin of moral evil.
As to specifically about Pharaoh’s case, I do not think God overrode his free will. Yes, God could’ve hardened it, but it doesn’t necessarily mean all free will has been removed.
Harden is sklērynō.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon … jv/tr/0-1/
It is used 6 times and there is no indication all free will has been removed in these cases:
[Act 19:9 KJV] 9 But when divers were hardened,[G4645] and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. [Rom 9:18 KJV] 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.[G4645] [Heb 3:8, 13, 15 KJV] 8 Harden[G4645] not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: … 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened[G4645] through the deceitfulness of sin. … 15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden[G4645] not your hearts, as in the provocation. [Heb 4:7 KJV] 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden[G4645] not your hearts.https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1137875#p1137875