Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:50 am The Jewish focus is on repentence; the Christian focus is on belief in a person.
Which is a strange claim if repentance is only used once in the OT and 25 times in the NT.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/ … rimary_0_1
Yes, for Christians, the focus is on Jesus, but we still need to repent from our sins.
[Mat 4:17 NIV] 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” [Luk 13:3 NIV] 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [Act 2:38 NIV] 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [Act 17:30 NIV] 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1131525#p1131525
Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:16 am And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Certainly repentance is necessary. But is it possible to keep all the laws after repentance? Because if he doesn’t, he will die again.
[Eze 18:24 KJV] 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.Though Jesus, all of our sins are atoned for. It is not just a yearly day of atonement where the sins are covered for one year. It is the final day of atonement where our sins are covered for all time.
Yes, we still need to repent when we do sin. But we are no longer is jeopardy of dying when we do sin.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1131562#p1131562
Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 5:52 pm The same way they were able to after the first temple was destroyed—-by repentance as Ezekiel said.
Repentance is necessary, but it’s not sufficient. The entire Levitical sacrificial system is heavily detailed out in the Torah to atone for sins. There are two things necessary for forgiveness – a blood sacrifice and repentance.
The reason Jews now resort only on repentance is because the temple does not exist. But, it is clear from the Jewish scriptures a blood sacrifice was required to atone for sins.
[Lev 16:33-34 KJV] 33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. 34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.Today is Yom Kippur. According to the Bible, the sacrifice was to be an everlasting statute. As Christians who also believe in the Torah, we accept this. Jesus, as our sinless High Priest, fulfilled the requirements of Yom Kippur of offering innocent blood on the mercy seat. And even now, he is interceding for us all.
[Rom 8:34 KJV] 34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1132108#p1132108
Athetotheist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:32 pm
“There is no innate sin that separates the individual from God and forgiveness of sin is not dependent on a sinless sacrifice. Even when sacrifices were offered in the Temple the sinless animal’s blood did not automatically redeem from sin. Blood sacrifice was part of a process that was primarily dependent on confessionary prayer to achieve reconciliation between the repentant sinner and God.”
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1132166#p1132166