Start discussing Old Testament ethics

Next going to address the ethical issues of the Old Testament. This is another huge area and is commonly brought up by skeptics. I would even venture to say this is one of the biggest stumbling blocks for unbelievers.

Here’s a sampling of recent posts:

otseng wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:03 am

Athetotheist wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:10 pm Yet you presumably have no problem with the idea of that same deity brutally drowning every innocent child on earth in a global flood.

If so, that’s a topic of its own. But it’s still an issue you have to deal with.

If you’re trying to justify the flood narrative in Genesis, I guess that’s another issue for you to deal with.

Yes, it’s a topic of its own.

alexxcJRO wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:01 am the awful Old Testament passages about genocides, bigotry and laws for slavery, killing witches, gays and so on;

From an non-believer perspective they are all on the same level. Nonsensical, illogical, not consistent ramblings full of magical stories, bigotry, awful things written by ancient ignorant morons. Who did not knew elementary things about their reality.

alexxcJRO wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:57 pm Inflicting great suffering, pain onto small children-infants is evil and wrong no matter who does it: Christians from the west with their bombardment of Irak, Syria, Afganistan; Israelites with their bombardament of Gaza; Islamists with their jihadic-terrorist attacks or powerful god/gods.

This is true even if one completely removes emotions and empathy from the equation and one analyzes everything only Vulkan style: only logically.

Non-moral agents are blameless and they are victims no matter the case.

God(Yahweh-Jesus) ordering the inflicting of suffering, pain and death to non-moral agents on several times just proves how fictitious god of the Bible is.

alexxcJRO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:36 pm Q: How does what you said refute the The Problem of Gratuitous suffering and Gratuitous evils ?

The Problem of Gratuitous suffering and Gratuitous evils disproves Yahweh-Jesus in 2023 or 1500 or 10000 BC or 1000000 BC. It disproved Yahweh-Jesus before even it was invented by ignorant ancient goat herders.

alexxcJRO wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:22 am God is both an omni-perfect being and a capricious, malevolent, pitiful-weak being. Therefore an illogical concept.
This is to be expected from an atheistic perspective where ignorant ancient goat herders could not invent a consistent concept because most humans are morons.
POI wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:55 am My point being countless people kill little children, because they (believe) God told them to. This would include you. If I “heard” or “received” such an order, I would ignore it. Why? I do not think any such claimed God would ever order the killing of little children. It would be contradictory to the claim of God’s loving nature. In essence, the ones killing little children, “in the name of God”, are likely either just delusional, or lying because they actually want to kill little children. Thus, I find it interesting to read that you would absolutely kill little children in this case.
brunumb wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:08 am It doesn’t pay to tick off an omnipotent being with an infinite ego it would seem. Pity that wasn’t matched by infinite love and compassion. That said, Adam didn’t reject God, in ignorance the original hapless couple were beguiled by one of God’s creatures into being disobedient. Being sorely aggrieved, the omnipotent one took it out on everyone and everything not even part of that dastardly act. Feel the love.
POI wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 amGod opted not to stop the conception of these known obstacles. To instead allow their existence, only to order their slaughter — as little children, reads extra and unnecessary. It instead reads like a God who is not truly ‘loving’. On the contrary, if you claimed to be loving, and had the opportunity to prevent something from happening, would you wait until they were little children, and order their execution? Prolly not. Hence, you are more logical than the God you worship.
POI wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:31 pm The point of my post was to ask if it is cowardly to order the slaughter of little children, via the provided Bible verses. The point of my thread was also to ask how to begin discerning if an order has actually come from the Christian God.
POI wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:01 pm The question is (rephrased) – why did God choose to intervene when they were little children, when God already knew they would later become an obstacle? It refers to the answer for which you answered ‘maybe’ above and prior. –> God likes to watch little children suffer. But I bet you don’t. So why do you love Jehovah?
boatsnguitars wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:30 am He needs to find a narrative to excuse God for atrocities.
Again, this is why I claim Christians don’t understand morality.
POI wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:47 pm God’s subjective will, in the case of the OP reference verses, was to order these little children’s slaughter. And yet, he already knew where they were headed before their births. And yet, choose to kill them when they were little children. Maybe because God likes to watch the terror in these little children’s faces, as they are being murdered by other humans. Maybe the Jehovah you love is a ‘sadistic voyeur.’ God decides to be proactive here, but not with the little child’s cancer. Maybe because Jehovah is a ‘sadistic voyeur.’
Diogenes wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:39 pm Over and over this ‘god’ commands his chosen tribe to annihilate women and children, rape and enslave, and abandon all reason and goodness in pursuit of “God’s Will.” The logic and reason that leads one to the obvious conclusion the Bible was written by men who sought self serving excuses to legitimize their plunder, murder and genocide is entirely lost on those who appeal to authority over reason and love. I get it. I’ll not try further efforts at reason where it is ignored in favor of ‘authority.’
POI wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:00 am My concern is to know why you still call yourself any form of a ‘Christian’ after having read the Bible? Why not instead become some form of a generic deist or an agnostic atheist?