Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:49 pmFor Christians, the basis of objective morality is the Christian conception of Jehovah, which returns us to the question of how someone would judge any other deity who behaved in the same way.
Nobody is claiming to be judging any other deity in the current topic (or even in this thread for that matter). The issue is skeptics claiming Jehovah is evil. And what I’ve argued is atheists have no rational ground to make an objective moral judgment about anything, in particular the God of the Old Testament.
To summarize…
Dawkins, Marks, Bittner, Ruse, and Russell all agree there is no objective morality:
“The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”
Richard Dawkins“In a word, this philosopher has long been laboring under an unexamined assumption, namely, that there is such a thing as right and wrong. I now believe there isn’t.”
Joel Marks“There is no moral ought.”
Rüdiger Bittner“Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory.”
Michael Ruse“Outside human desires there is no moral standard.”
Bertrand Russell
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Ronald Lindsay wrote a long article on objective morality, but failed to justify it.
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Can evolution account for objective morality? No.
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Michael Tomasello agrees evolution cannot account for objective morality and argues interdependence can account for it. But his hypothesis is also lacking.
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Doris Schroeder in the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy admits “evolutionary ethics still has a long way to go.”
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Gary Whittenberger on skeptic.com tries to address objective morality and also fails to justify it.
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And the Euthyphro dilemma is a false dilemma.
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Since atheists have no justification to believe in objective morality, their belief is no more credible than a Christian saying God exists and having no justification for it. It is a blind faith assertion. Making any moral judgment against the God of the Old Testament cannot be justifiably made.
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