Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:11 pm The thorns would probably have bent and broken before penetrating the skull.
As I posted earlier, there are many thorns that penetrated the skull.
otseng wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:33 amCompleting the count of the clots (fig. 6), I have come to the conclusion that at least twenty
thorns were implanted in the occipital region. And since the injuries reach theparietal-occipital area, we can suppose that the crown of
thorns was in the form of a cap. These numerical calculations give us the certainty that at least
some thirty thorns (thirteen on forehead, twenty in the occipital region) perforated the head in
front and back. Since we have no way to study injuries produced in the parietal-temple area
(because the sides of the head did not register) we can deduce that at least some fifty thorns
tortured the head of the Crucified.
The thorns most likely is from the Gundelia tournefortii and there is evidence of its pollen on the shroud.
Dr. Uri Baruch, palynologist with the Israel Antiquities Authority who made his M.SC. and Ph.D. dissertations on the flora of Israel, analyzed most of Frei’s 1973 sticky tape pollen specimens and ten of the twenty-five 1978 sticky tapes. He examined 165 pollen grains, of which 45 (27.3%) were Gundelia tournefortii. On some of the tapes, he found more than ten grains in an area less than 5×1 cm.The authenticity of the Near East as the source of the Shroud of Turin is completely verified to me as a botanist through the images and pollen grains of Gundelia tournefortii and the images of Zygophyllum dumosum leaves.
https://www.shroud.com/danin2.htm
A large quantity of pollen assigned to Gundelia has been found on the Shroud of Turin, which may suggest that the crown of thorns was made from Gundelia.In 1998 pollen found on the Shroud of Turin was analysed and with 29%, the pollen assigned to Gundelia was the most numerous. Such a high density makes it very unlikely that this would merely be the result of the Shroud having been exposed to the wind, particularly because Gundelia is an insect-pollinated, not a wind-pollinated plant. Some researchers have suggested this implies that the crown of thorns was made from Gundelia-branches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundelia
In spring time, it dries up after it has bloomed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gund … fortii.jpg
It then separates from the root and becomes a tumbleweed.
By mid-May, the akoub stem has separated from the root, allowing the entire plant to be carried by the wind.
The whole plant is round-so that it can roll like a ball. When the seeds of the dead fruit are ready to be dispersed, the base of the stem is disconnected from the thick root by means of an especially weak tissue which develops at just the right time. The plant then rolls, driven by the wind, dispersing its seeds on steppe and field.
http://www.flowersinisrael.com/Gundelia … i_page.htm
Most likely Roman soldier just grabbed some tumbleweed and pounded it into his head. I personally do not believe they weaved it in any way to make a laurel of thorns.
Carrying the cross wouldn’t have necessarily opened the swelled skin, but we do see evidence of abrasion marks made by carrying the cross.It’s most likely that carrying a cross would open swollen skin. Even a skinned knee or elbow can bleed, and skin swollen through abrasion is damaged and even more sensitive.
I don’t deny the abrasions would’ve produced blood. Could abrasions have caused further damage at the scourged locations? Perhaps. I’m not aware of evidence of this one way or the other.
As you often point out, it’s about evidence—-and the necessary evidence is currently lacking.
The evidence is the scourge marks that are dumbbell shaped from the UV imaging.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1129062#p1129062