Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:39 am What I pointed out is that the Jews don’t believe the sacrificial system is necessary while they don’t have a temple.
Yes, you’ve pointed that out. But it does not rule out the fact they are not following the Torah.
In addition, they aren’t even following the pilgrimage feasts anymore. Of course they can’t since there is no temple anymore, but it’s another example.
But an example that is not related to the temple is Ex 31:15. Are the Jews executing anyone for violating the Sabbath rest?
[Exo 31:15 KJV] 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1133725#p1133725
Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:40 pm (As for the morality of such a harsh law, that’s another debate.)
You didn’t answer the question. Are they executing anyone or not for breaking the Sabbath? And since you won’t answer this either, the answer is no. So, even the Jews are not literally and legalistically following the Torah.
Even if the rabbis are deviating from the Torah, which is questionable, using that as an excuse for Jesus violating the Torah in his day is a Tu Quoque argument at best.
I’m pointing out the inconsistency with your interpretation. You can’t just apply it to Jesus and then give all the Jews a pass. This would be special pleading.
Actually, I agree with the Jews in that the Torah is not just a strict legal document. It is much more than that.
I’m not claiming anybody is deviating from the Torah. But there is liberty in the interpretation. The Talmud itself is a testament to this since it contains multiple interpretations of the Torah.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1133797#p1133797